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[gemiwine]

I stopped at the part where you clearly didn't understand what I was saying about there being no absolute truth, and you ignored my point that not blindly believing something is different from having "faith" in non-belief.

If all you're going to do is repeat yourself without taking into account what people are saying, or deliberately twist everything into utter nonsense, then I'm done with this as well; life is too short to argue with trolls.

LOL Kant was just a confused philosopher with his misundersdtandin of the bible and as a result came up wth his idea that "there's no absolute truth." That's mans word you follow yet you critisize me for following the bible & says its not Gods word well the truth is the bible makes more sense then Kants words & books by 1000s of philosophers its no wonder philosophy is just based on theories & opinions not so much the real truth giving the fact that Kants point of views could never been proving at all. At least the bible proves itsef everyday exposing modern day society like the freemasons, illuminati, babylon, "the queen of heaven Diana" thought to be mary in those church building as well as the so called picture of Jesus which is just the antichrist based on the fact that the bible says not to make heavenly images just to name a few examples of why that book proves itself more than these theorist you follow. I'm suprised you don't follow aliester crowely another philosopher, occultist & theorist.

[effingbillgates]

LOL Kant was just a confused philosopher with his misundersdtandin of the bible and as a result came up wth his idea that "there's no absolute truth."

Something tells me you've never read Kant...

That's mans word you follow

No I don't: the point is that I don't follow anyone's word, and nor should you. See how tiresome this conversation is? Read what you're replying to instead of thinking that you don't need to.

yet you critisize me for following the bible & says its not Gods word well the truth is the bible makes more sense then Kants words & books by 1000s of philosophers its no wonder philosophy is just based on theories & opinions not so much the real truth giving the fact that Kants point of views could never been proving at all. At least the bible proves itsef everyday exposing modern day society like the freemasons, illuminati, babylon, "the queen of heaven Diana" thought to be mary in those church building as well as the so called picture of Jesus which is just the antichrist based on the fact that the bible says not to make heavenly images just to name a few examples of why that book proves itself more than these theorist you follow. I'm suprised you don't follow aliester crowely another philosopher, occultist & theorist.

Absolute bollocks, and once again you clearly haven't read a word I've said. You're like those people who see patterns in a piece of toast and say "doesn't it look like Norman Cook?" That's all you're doing: (A) vaguely resembles (B). It's not proof of anything.

God always picks the best of the best to spread His word, doesn't he? Aliens have a similar knack.


Let me make this easier for you: simply tell us what empirical evidence you have that the bible is God's word. That's all you need - I'm not even going to ask you to prove that God exists. Simply show the empirical evidence that you're using to determine that the bible is "the real truth" rather than some nice allegories written by normal humans 2000 or so years ago. Most Christians simply "have a feeling", or know because a clever vicar told them it was true, but I'm sure you can do better than that.

Modern philosophy is fully aware that it's nothing but opinion and theory, and that's what's nice about it. It's part of a larger discourse in which people are considering different possibilities for the world, seeing what fits, yet still having the ability to say "this might not be true, even if it fits". What's objectionable about religion is that people following one always insist that it contains "the real truth" without any evidence to back up this obnoxious claim. Yes, I've heard lots of ways that the bible's allegories vaguely fit present day events, but that's just the nature of allegory; not evidence that the bible contains "truth" of any kind.


If you can not supply the evidence that I'm requesting, then your belief that the bible is "the real truth" will be immediately put into the drawer marked "opinion and theory", and this conversation will be over. So respond carefully!

[gemiwine]

Deuteronomy 18:10-12 KJV

There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

http://www.fillthevoid.org/Children/...nPractice.html
http://logosresourcepages.org/Occult/truth_witches.htm
http://www.shoutingfromtherooftop.com/necromancy.html
http://www.cuttingedge.org/FREE001a.html

Acts 7:43 KJV

Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5tKh...feature=fvwrel (Cult Of Saturn/Satan/Remphan/Moloch/Saturnian)

I'm sure any wise person would know if these verses are false then obviously these things spoken of wouldn't have existed & occur to this day.


This is proof from a scientific point of view.
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml

If you decide not to look at any of these links I'm just going to tell you to research it on your own after I tryed to prove it to you. You claim I believe in the bible because I feel it is true. Its true based on the evidence presented and faith is believing without evidence presented which is not based on emotion so I don't care how you feel about the bible being a fairy tale book. Your not going to convert me into adopting darwins theories and other philosophers confusing logics about life & religion. I'm not religious, I don't have a religion, I had my misunderstandings of the bible for quite some time but finally came to a better understand through research and experience. Once you get caught up in logic, theories, debates, politics, science, culture, philosophy, sociology and other peoples perspectives about their own take on the origins of life and humanity without going to the bible that has that only source of knowledge that makes more sense then the opinions of men then I would be confused about the bible too and say there's no such thing as truth when in reality it is truth. You just have to do alittle more research and get your head out the box because the same people that condemn the bible by calling it flawed know that its true scripture in a atempt to confuse you and make you believe we don't know the truth.

[Mudofale]

Alright, I only looked at 3 of the links you provided. And from reading them all I have to say is, thanks for wasting an hour of my life... I mean really? That Youtube video was over an hour long... I watched the first 10 minutes of it and wanted to burn the person who created it on a stick.

One thing, how can you turn something simple as "Saturn has a hexagon on it's north pole, it's the 6th planet, on the 6th day" Which I could have sworn Saturday was the 7th day... It's just absurd... I can say the same thing about my life... I've worked 6 hours each day 6 days a week for the past 6 weeks.... OMG MY JOB IS A BUNCH OF SATANIST! That's what that sounds like... They literally try to turn everyone into crazy people by making them question every part of their life. What I found to be dumb was the fact that after the first 2 minutes they actually started stating that most christians aren't even Christians. What kind of world do we live in that we follow a religion blindly then suddenly were rejected because were following the religion the wrong way. As for the other links giving us "proof" that the bible is real and god is real etc etc. That is a bunch of random facts gathered to make an ant seem like an elephant. You can't quote the bible and say that it's your proof considering most of the information on those links were verses taken out of context so when you read them they made half sense. Which brings me to another point, why does everyone assume that the people who created the bible were idiots? They clearly created a book that over 25% of the worlds population follows, I doubt they spent all of 15 seconds drafting idea's then decided to write it down. It took our (United States) founders over 15 years to create a final documentation to represent our entire nation for many years to come, what makes you think they didn't spend over 100 years perfecting a religion? Sure, the bible has parts that are true, but you can't make someone follow a religion or a book for that matter that has some facts that say "This is the word, no other word is any higher... blah blah" When there are glaring points that make no sense.

I asked it before and ill ask it again, why would "god" create man in his image when we are controlled by our emotions and our emotions dictate how we live our lives. If we are created in his image, then god is a murder, rapist, idolizer, and a fool. Because, we are him, and by the transitive property that makes him what we are.

Please stop posting your youtube links... they just make me angry at how foolish people are... they literally post a video with random gum wrapper facts they find on wikipedia then blow it out of proportion and block the comments because they realize people can see the bull shit in the videos and they don't want to hear it... Just stupid.

Im also confused on how we got on the subject of "Is god real, and is the bible true?" From talking about "The gov't is out to get everyone!"

[Mudofale]

Something tells me we are going to start arguing about "Do aliens exisit on earth?" in the next week. I can see it coming.

[1313Jr.1313]

i get odd hunches on occasion but they're usually right so bear with me.

official guesses here. gemi, when your arguments are shown to be invalid you spam more nonsense (equally invalid btw). you are looking for something to put you above the rest which means you somehow feel below the rest or are now feeling superior due to your current belief system. you refuse to change your views on this which means they're well established and a good portion of everything you believe in relies on them and you aren't willing to even consider that you've made a mistake. hatred for the government probably blah blah blah you don't care, but i'd guess red state. preaching on a fart fetish forum of all places so i'm willing to assume you have plenty of practice blindly preaching to give yourself that sense of righteousness which would indicate blah blah blah you don't care about the how, just the what.

final verdict? let me know if ANY of this is wrong.
-male
-early twenties (21-24 or so)
-black (or half black)
-mid us red state... texas or kansas... that general area (if texas AND half black then the other half would be hispanic)
-i'd say average height... maybe a little taller but not by too much
-thin... not unhealthy but not fat by anybody's definition
-either glasses or a limp
-high school education, but either "some college" or an aa... not more than that. my guess there would be college dropout and now working or picked up a job either in or right out of high school that you've kept or transitioned from. big fish in a small sea transitioning to small fish in a big sea sort of thing.
-drive either a hand me down car suitable for one or a bike... either way it's your baby

genuinely curious if ANY of this is correct, but i have a hunch most of it is.

[gemiwine]

Alright, I only looked at 3 of the links you provided. And from reading them all I have to say is, thanks for wasting an hour of my life... I mean really? That Youtube video was over an hour long... I watched the first 10 minutes of it and wanted to burn the person who created it on a stick.

One thing, how can you turn something simple as "Saturn has a hexagon on it's north pole, it's the 6th planet, on the 6th day" Which I could have sworn Saturday was the 7th day... It's just absurd... I can say the same thing about my life... I've worked 6 hours each day 6 days a week for the past 6 weeks.... OMG MY JOB IS A BUNCH OF SATANIST! That's what that sounds like... They literally try to turn everyone into crazy people by making them question every part of their life. What I found to be dumb was the fact that after the first 2 minutes they actually started stating that most christians aren't even Christians. What kind of world do we live in that we follow a religion blindly then suddenly were rejected because were following the religion the wrong way. As for the other links giving us "proof" that the bible is real and god is real etc etc. That is a bunch of random facts gathered to make an ant seem like an elephant. You can't quote the bible and say that it's your proof considering most of the information on those links were verses taken out of context so when you read them they made half sense. Which brings me to another point, why does everyone assume that the people who created the bible were idiots? They clearly created a book that over 25% of the worlds population follows, I doubt they spent all of 15 seconds drafting idea's then decided to write it down. It took our (United States) founders over 15 years to create a final documentation to represent our entire nation for many years to come, what makes you think they didn't spend over 100 years perfecting a religion? Sure, the bible has parts that are true, but you can't make someone follow a religion or a book for that matter that has some facts that say "This is the word, no other word is any higher... blah blah" When there are glaring points that make no sense.

I asked it before and ill ask it again, why would "god" create man in his image when we are controlled by our emotions and our emotions dictate how we live our lives. If we are created in his image, then god is a murder, rapist, idolizer, and a fool. Because, we are him, and by the transitive property that makes him what we are.

Please stop posting your youtube links... they just make me angry at how foolish people are... they literally post a video with random gum wrapper facts they find on wikipedia then blow it out of proportion and block the comments because they realize people can see the bull shit in the videos and they don't want to hear it... Just stupid.

Im also confused on how we got on the subject of "Is god real, and is the bible true?" From talking about "The gov't is out to get everyone!"

I got all that but where is the proof from you that this is all a stupid? Who are you to tell me to stop posting youtube links? Why can't you prove me wrong but instead rant on about your emotions? So far no one hasn't disaproved any of my "claims" but says "its not true because I said so." I said it a million times I don't care if you believe it or not I have a free will to post anything on a forum regardless unless you can ban me for posting something you don't like which is not up to you. I'm not making anyone believe anything if they don't want to & your not making me believe what you are trying to say against me at the end of the day you are just a slave who dosent know who you are worshipping and following. I'm sure if I talked about some random tv shows & movies I would get a better response but when it comes to the truth like always it starts into a war based on the responses y'all give about it. So if you want to believe everything that college, tv shows, local news, cnn 7 books written by men inspired by men that taught you about governments & science then be my guest while I'll be blind & stupid by learning the truth from the bible instead of being concerned about a man made, brainwashing education and propaganda material by the pagan leaders of this country & from gullible people like you stuck in the matrix who's so dependent on the system of craft willing to defend for it by defending me keep it that can't prove their point but rationalize with emotion because of your misunderstandings of the bible from being too consumed with deceptional teachings about mans own ideas & creation of

Don't get mad just prove that the bible and its scriptures are all false exposing the government who practices these thing that God told them not to. Prove that Saturn is not apart of our everyday lives and the government are not practicioners of religion to control us with. You don't even know who the the funding fathers are because the truth is this country has been founded upon & controlled by all race of people from different religious backgrounds and how old the bible really is that's been around longer then most people think.

I don't see any rules on this forum that says you can't talk about certain subjects otherwise this thread would have been locked by now but if this offends people too much then for the safety of everyone please lock it so we don't have to worry about a crazed person trying to spew his anger on something he dosent have to respond to that easily triggers his emotion.

[gemiwine]

i get odd hunches on occasion but they're usually right so bear with me.

official guesses here. gemi, when your arguments are shown to be invalid you spam more nonsense (equally invalid btw). you are looking for something to put you above the rest which means you somehow feel below the rest or are now feeling superior due to your current belief system. you refuse to change your views on this which means they're well established and a good portion of everything you believe in relies on them and you aren't willing to even consider that you've made a mistake. hatred for the government probably blah blah blah you don't care, but i'd guess red state. preaching on a fart fetish forum of all places so i'm willing to assume you have plenty of practice blindly preaching to give yourself that sense of righteousness which would indicate blah blah blah you don't care about the how, just the what.

final verdict? let me know if ANY of this is wrong.
-male
-early twenties (21-24 or so)
-black (or half black)
-mid us red state... texas or kansas... that general area (if texas AND half black then the other half would be hispanic)
-i'd say average height... maybe a little taller but not by too much
-thin... not unhealthy but not fat by anybody's definition
-either glasses or a limp
-high school education, but either "some college" or an aa... not more than that. my guess there would be college dropout and now working or picked up a job either in or right out of high school that you've kept or transitioned from. big fish in a small sea transitioning to small fish in a big sea sort of thing.
-drive either a hand me down car suitable for one or a bike... either way it's your baby

genuinely curious if ANY of this is correct, but i have a hunch most of it is.

So my age, weight, height, eye vision, citizenship, martial status & wether or not I went to college & what kind of transportation I have has a lot to do with the fact that I'm making invalid poins about the gov, college & the bible? Up to this point you haven't proved to me anything nor corrected me with any proof about any of my claims in any of your responses but rant and talk about me. So while your still ranting on about how invalid I am about the bible, college & the gov I'll be waiting for you to prove your point with some valid evidence instead of preaching about your feeings & opinions about me. What's funny is your only proof that the internet will die in 2012 was a youtube link and a website link. So why dnt you post some links in contrary to mine that totally debunks my "claims" you call it.

[1313Jr.1313]

So my age, weight, height, eye vision, citizenship, martial status & wether or not I went to college & what kind of transportation I have has a lot to do with the fact that I'm making invalid poins about the gov, college & the bible? Up to this point you haven't proved to me anything nor corrected me with any proof about any of my claims in any of your responses but rant and talk about me. So while your still ranting on about how invalid I am about the bible, college & the gov I'll be waiting for you to prove your point with some valid evidence instead of preaching about your feeings & opinions about me. What's funny is your only proof that the internet will die in 2012 was a youtube link and a website link. So why dnt you post some links in contrary to mine that totally debunks my "claims" you call it.

firstly, i am VERY good at what i do. i have diagnosed excess fluid in the brain through eye contact. i am saying that i got a hunch and was curious as to whether or not i was right. that is why i was asking if this was true or not. the fact that you denied none of it would imply that it's all true (which tbh is what i expected... these hunches aren't often wrong). also, the fact that you mentioned eye vision and not the limp means it would be glasses? i really do want to know if i'm right on this one so please in your next response let me know if i'm right and what i'm not right about.

second, you are right about my proof of the internet's potential death in 2012. to be fair, i also had 2 websites along with the youtube link, but upon doing the research they were fallacious and i was just being stubborn at the time because i didn't want to have to reconsider my beliefs. upon learning that they were flawed, i no longer held what they had said as beliefs (not sure, but i believe i even apologized about them?). their logic by the way was solid, but the premise for their argument was flawed (which means their logic was as well but aside from that it wasn't).

third, the conclusions you are drawing are not necessarily invalid. there is neither proof in existence that god does or does not exist. as such there is no concluding evidence that the bible is truth or fiction. your claims are nothing more than claims and they have no evidence. if i were to claim that the moon is made of cheese and link to a bugs bunny cartoon our claims would be equally valid. aside from my most recent 2 posts, i have provided in every post proof that your conclusions are faulty. you saying that i haven't doesn't make it so.

[gemiwine]

firstly, i am VERY good at what i do. i have diagnosed excess fluid in the brain through eye contact. i am saying that i got a hunch and was curious as to whether or not i was right. that is why i was asking if this was true or not. the fact that you denied none of it would imply that it's all true (which tbh is what i expected... these hunches aren't often wrong). also, the fact that you mentioned eye vision and not the limp means it would be glasses? i really do want to know if i'm right on this one so please in your next response let me know if i'm right and what i'm not right about.

second, you are right about my proof of the internet's potential death in 2012. to be fair, i also had 2 websites along with the youtube link, but upon doing the research they were fallacious and i was just being stubborn at the time because i didn't want to have to reconsider my beliefs. upon learning that they were flawed, i no longer held what they had said as beliefs (not sure, but i believe i even apologized about them?). their logic by the way was solid, but the premise for their argument was flawed (which means their logic was as well but aside from that it wasn't).

third, the conclusions you are drawing are not necessarily invalid. there is neither proof in existence that god does or does not exist. as such there is no concluding evidence that the bible is truth or fiction. your claims are nothing more than claims and they have no evidence. if i were to claim that the moon is made of cheese and link to a bugs bunny cartoon our claims would be equally valid. aside from my most recent 2 posts, i have provided in every post proof that your conclusions are faulty. you saying that i haven't doesn't make it so.

Lol I been on this form for yars so you are correct because I might have told you where I stay & my race maybe not my whole description & I drive 2 seater & couldn't afford time t go to school from working long hours with good pay but aside from that. I know the bible can't be fiction if it lines right up with todays society especially from the fact that this book has massive bloodshed behind it by the roman empire, druids, celts, jesuits & the knights templars that killed many who touched it. The occultist & major scientist of the world know that the bible is real its just the fact they choose not to follow it. I'm not here to save people & tell them to go to church and jump around inside those buildings I'm just proving my point that the governments laws & so called news propaganda are flawed because their on a whole other agenda for a nwo but its fine with me if you wanna called it flawed, invalid, fallcious, fiction, fable & apocryphal.