Let's not turn this forum into Jerry Springer!

[fart-fetishist]

I wish to apologize if I was accusing u of being JAG. I read the thread about GGG deleting and may've jumped too fast into conclusions. However, reading that thread I felt sorry for several ppl like lizzy, bigdawg, GGG and others that I believed were not there to defend themselves and were being targeted by a multitude of people. From a honest observer, trying to be neutral I felt they were bullied here on the forum. I'm totally against piracy, hackerism and bullying so I rushed to their defense. I took bigdawg's side because of these reasons. I would be happy if u or anybody else will provide me with the proof about lizzy/GGG/bigdawg and other people that support the accusations they were the target of. It will convince me they're not just being attacked because they're not here to defend themselves.

[DesLugath]

Maybe you are at the wrong forum fart-fetishist? And no one said anything about jag.

[1313Jr.1313]

Originally posted by fart-fetishist
I wish to apologize if I was accusing u of being JAG. I read the thread about GGG deleting and may've jumped too fast into conclusions. However, reading that thread I felt sorry for several ppl like lizzy, bigdawg, GGG and others that I believed were not there to defend themselves and were being targeted by a multitude of people. From a honest observer, trying to be neutral I felt they were bullied here on the forum. I'm totally against piracy, hackerism and bullying so I rushed to their defense. I took bigdawg's side because of these reasons. I would be happy if u or anybody else will provide me with the proof about lizzy/GGG/bigdawg and other people that support the accusations they were the target of. It will convince me they're not just being attacked because they're not here to defend themselves.

let's get a few things straight before you start siding with ggg (lizzy isn't really picked on anymore regardless). ggg IS bigdawg (or is represented by it) and as such is here to defend himself. if you ARE siding with him, then you have to believe what he says and in which case he is only being targeted by ONE person. bigdawg's clips aren't pirated here so there's no point in arguing that side of it and bigdawg has proven that he isn't below the other two (hackerism not actually happening to him from our side [sans liars]). you want proof about bigdawg supporting the accusations made? ok. click on bigdawgs profile and at the bottom right click research (it will show ALL of the posts that he has made in this forum [and if you just read a few you aren't exactly getting an accurate portrayal of him]). that much will prove that he deserves the saying of anything negative about his character and the way he behaves himself on this forum. his "list of fakers" and "list of real farters" and the other stuff mentioned about his forum? just check his forum and you'll see how he goes about his stuff there. as for how he conducts business, just see his site. other than that i would like to know what you need evidence of.

to destraga, fart-fetishist accused me of being jag in a previous post.

Originally posted by 1313Jr.1313

Originally posted by fart-fetishist

Originally posted by 1313Jr.1313
"harrassing and flaming the members, posting childish and puerile stuff and launching ad hominem attacks."
just so you know, you perfectly described bigdawg right there... (you know, the guy it looked like you were defending.)

also, this makes it sound like bigdawg IS jag. am i the only one getting this vibe?

finally, other than you, bigdawg is the only person who even brought up jag. i'm assuming that you have proof other than the word of bigdawg (see: ad verecundiam), so who exactly is jag?

Something tells me that you're one of his other nicknames. I may be in the minority here, but I think that GGG's forum is excellent and I have the 1st-Amendment right to say so. All I was saying is if you don't like someone's forum email him in private stating ur constructive criticism rather than going to various forums to say libelous and false things. I really don't know if GGG reads this BS or he got better things to do (which I suspect that is the case), but from legal perspective - if he EVER finds out the shit being said about him behind his back, he got the full right to go to court and sue you for harassment and libel. I don't know anything about it other than reading it here in the forum, but it seems like he's losing money because of malicious acts and THAT can even constitute ground for a criminal probe. I'm all for a healthy business competition, I'm totally against PIRATING, DEFEMATION, CHARACTER ASSASSINATION or ILLEGAL WAYS TO DRIVE YOUR COMPETITION OUT OF BUSINESS. What Just A GUY has been doing can also be grounds for phishing scam.

yes, me being jag makes perfect sense considering that i posted EXCLUSIVELY in the stories forum on lizzy's board, posted for a bit on taylor's boards, posted for a week (not even flaming or anything, just saying thanks to the story writers) on the ggg board (which, until my reasonless ban, i thought wasn't half bad), and have since been exclusively here. i'm not exactly old enough to be jag and who i am personally is actually accessible from this board. actually, the evidence provided DISproves me being jag. also, you telling me to give my constructive criticism directly to bigdawg is like saying that nobody else on the board is smart enough to add to what i have to say. i mean, i'm flattered that you think so highly of somebody you just accused of being jag, but i know that i can't singlehandedly effect how ggg is run. i figure that if more than one person tell him that he should do one thing instead of another then it is more likely to happen than if only one person said it.

"going to various forums to say libelous and false things."
yeah... i only post here (disproving the various forum talk) and have only said things that i have backed up (disproving libelous and false).

"I really don't know if GGG reads this BS or he got better things to do"
he logs on once in a while. his name on this forum (in case it hasn't been said yet) is bigdawg.

"but from legal perspective - if he EVER finds out the shit being said about him behind his back, he got the full right to go to court and sue you for harassment and libel."
wrong. one, he does know what's being said about him and most of it he sets up himself, i mean just look at what he says (recently, before it was just "don't post ggg stuff" which is perfectly understandable from a business perspective with the occasional unwarranted "i'm going to shut this board down" [which actually would be a threat, but not one that can be sued for because it can be claimed as trolling]). on top of that, we have yet to harass him (sueably) and have committed no libel because as i stated before, anything negative has been backed up accordingly. you can argue all day about what libel is but if it's true then it can't be libel.

"I don't know anything about it other than reading it here in the forum, but it seems like he's losing money because of malicious acts and THAT can even constitute ground for a criminal probe."
go ahead and go for the... "criminal probe" and good luck with that, but upon the reading of this thread we may as well be fairies in pixie land with sugar sticks and wands. to be honest though, i would REALLY like to know what "malicious acts" you have seen thus far in this forum. seriously.

"I'm all for a healthy business competition, I'm totally against PIRATING, DEFEMATION, CHARACTER ASSASSINATION or ILLEGAL WAYS TO DRIVE YOUR COMPETITION OUT OF BUSINESS."
ok... we've established that bigdawg (ggg, remember? [if he's not ggg then he lied and said he was and if that was the case then this conversation wouldn't even be happening]) gets whatever we put up in some way and he actually DOES commit defAmation (as have you by calling me jag, by the way [something he's been very careful not to specifically do, although his defamation has come in everywhere else]). character assassination IS defamation, by the way (only more intense and if we haven't committed defamation then we couldn't have committed character assassination by default). and finally, everybody (you and ggg) is saying that jag is trying to drive his/her competition out of business so my question is which fart site does jag run?

"What Just A GUY has been doing can also be grounds for phishing scam."
i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you know what a phishing scam is. i'm also going to ignore the fact that there has not been sufficient proof that jag is even on this board, just so i can ask you (assuming that me and anybody else on this board [you can even choose who for this one with no limit on quantity] is jag), how has what jag (remember, you can pick anybody you want to be jag on this one [ahh, except for bigdawg and yourself for obvious reasons]) has been doing be grounds for a phishing scam? i would really like to know the answer to this one. seriously, actually respond to this specific post.

"Sounds like a threat, man. I don't like my friends getting hurt, you know? I'm sure u got enough shit to worry about right now before THREAT is added to the other charges, JAGGY."
just so you know, what he said is actually a warning because it would need to be just a bit more specific to be considered a threat. you COULD argue that it is possible that he implies threat, but he could argue back that it IS a warning and because it's not exactly specific enough to be a threat (also doesn't mention ANY harm at all) your case would simply fail... miserably.

if you actually do reply, don't be a jackass and just ignore all of the above (not even defamation there fyi, i didn't actually call you one since there isn't adequate proof that you are one [at least not enough for me to actually argue it 100% yet]).

this is the whole thing that happened but another post/thread was made to sidestep actually responding.

[fart-fetishist]

Another reason I rushed to Lizzy's defense was that I suspected the reason she was being unfairly targeted was because she was a woman. It's hard to find ANY woman in here. Besides, she wasn't here to defend herself. I just hope that whoever trashed her on Gassyerotica on the thread about GGG deleting etc didn't do it bc she's a woman. Women who participate in this biz happen to be very liberal and open minded and the last thing we need is to drive them away. Try ANY woman you find at a bar, they won't be doing 1/1000 of the things some of these women do. And I mean fetish-wise...nor post it over the Net for everyone to see. I just wanted to make sure she wasn't attacked for the same reason Hillary Clinton was - being born with the XX genes.

[DesLugath]

Originally posted by fart-fetishist
Another reason I rushed to Lizzy's defense was that I suspected the reason she was being unfairly targeted was because she was a woman. It's hard to find ANY woman in here. Besides, she wasn't here to defend herself. I just hope that whoever trashed her on Gassyerotica on the thread about GGG deleting etc didn't do it bc she's a woman. Women who participate in this biz happen to be very liberal and open minded and the last thing we need is to drive them away. Try ANY woman you find at a bar, they won't be doing 1/1000 of the things some of these women do. And I mean fetish-wise...nor post it over the Net for everyone to see. I just wanted to make sure she wasn't attacked for the same reason Hillary Clinton was - being born with the XX genes.

Because she is a woman? Wow that made me laugh. What a ridiculous accusation.

[1313Jr.1313]

Originally posted by fart-fetishist
Another reason I rushed to Lizzy's defense was that I suspected the reason she was being unfairly targeted was because she was a woman. It's hard to find ANY woman in here. Besides, she wasn't here to defend herself. I just hope that whoever trashed her on Gassyerotica on the thread about GGG deleting etc didn't do it bc she's a woman. Women who participate in this biz happen to be very liberal and open minded and the last thing we need is to drive them away. Try ANY woman you find at a bar, they won't be doing 1/1000 of the things some of these women do. And I mean fetish-wise...nor post it over the Net for everyone to see. I just wanted to make sure she wasn't attacked for the same reason Hillary Clinton was - being born with the XX genes.

wow... people stood up to lizzy on that thread before you did... either way, if she was bashed it was for her business practices and not because she was a woman. actually, when it comes to this fetish more women than men are open to it, just more men tend to have it (openly?). also, hillary clinton was attacked because she is a bitch (not in reference to sex). look at how she got to becoming senator. look at how she ran her race against obama and dragged it out to sabotage his chances (even slightly is enough) against mccain so in 4 years she can run again before she is too old (apparently in 8 years). the funniest part about her? in the end (in her concession speech) she essentially blamed her loss in the primaries on her being a woman despite the fact that obama IS the better candidate. even funnier? she says that she was the first woman to run for president (again in her concession speech and a few other times on the road). this is a blatant lie (and she knows it). the first woman to run for president was actually victoria woodhull who ran in 1872 BEFORE WOMEN COULD EVEN VOTE. she also lost but that may have actually been for sexist reasons, unlike clinton. why am i saying this? because hillary clinton is an underhanded bitch. from what i've seen, some of lizzies business practices are also underhanded (forum policy too, just look at the mistress taylor crap [and the old gassyerotica stuff that went down]).

[fart-fetishist]

[quote]Originally posted by 1313Jr.1313

Originally posted by fart-fetishist


wow... people stood up to lizzy on that thread before you did... either way, if she was bashed it was for her business practices and not because she was a woman. actually, when it comes to this fetish more women than men are open to it, just more men tend to have it (openly?). also, hillary clinton was attacked because she is a bitch (not in reference to sex). look at how she got to becoming senator. look at how she ran her race against obama and dragged it out to sabotage his chances (even slightly is enough) against mccain so in 4 years she can run again before she is too old (apparently in 8 years). the funniest part about her? in the end (in her concession speech) she essentially blamed her loss in the primaries on her being a woman despite the fact that obama IS the better candidate. even funnier? she says that she was the first woman to run for president (again in her concession speech and a few other times on the road). this is a blatant lie (and she knows it). the first woman to run for president was actually victoria woodhull who ran in 1872 BEFORE WOMEN COULD EVEN VOTE. she also lost but that may have actually been for sexist reasons, unlike clinton. why am i saying this? because hillary clinton is an underhanded bitch. from what i've seen, some of lizzies business practices are also underhanded (forum policy too, just look at the mistress taylor crap [and the old gassyerotica stuff that went down]).

Well, as much as I think that Gassyerotica is a GREAT forum, and I do, I think I admired at Lizzy's was that women openly posted their vids in there. I think 50% of the membership was women. They shared their merchandise for free as samples to promote their paid-clips, of course, but the samples are enough. Lizzy and I didn't always see eye to eye about EVERYTHING, but we live in a pluralistic society and one can think independently and agree to disagree. I just didn't take any difference of opinions I might've had with her (which were minor, really, nothing serious) and make it into personal attacks and weapons. I respect your opinion, but you haven't stated anything (or any other person attacking her on the "GGG deleting" thread that corroborated anything u had stated. I STILL don't know what people's problem with her is. People say nasty things about her personally but fail to back it up with facts. I feel she's the (absent) underdog in here.

As for Hillary Clinton, I assume SOME of the attacks against her were personal dating back to her being first lady. Personally nothing can make me happier than to see Obama elected, not only because he'll become the 1st black president (I'm white myself), but because he represents hope, change and break with the tyranny we've been under for 8 years. Time to kick the GOP bigots to the trashcan of history. McCain IMHO represents more of the same thing like Bush. A Democratic administration would be far more receptive to the 1st Amendment right and porn. The religious Right is trying to ban Porn whenever and wherever they can. End of censorship is near in sight...

[Gasskisser]

Well at least we seem to agree on some things.

But as for women having it rougher than men... definitely in the business world - but on here? No way.

If a woman comes on here, we all line up to kiss her ass (literally and figuratively). And we'll take a lot more shit from a woman (again, both literally and figuratively ) before annoyance becomes hatred.

[dinin2]

as long as 1313Jr.1313 is here, this forum is bound to turn into a jerry springer!

[Kaioshinsama]

Sometimes, I wonder if there is a troll lurking...... Also fart-fetishist, I don't remember Lizzy's forum being remotely close to 50% women. Sure there were a few women from southern charm that came later, and Lady Eve, Farrah, Tiffany, etc. posted there sometimes, but for the most part, everyone else was a "little bit more endowed". But I digress. Just felt like adding to the pot....

Kaioshinsama